Commons:Deletion requests/File:Lion near Baszta Prochowa in Lviv.JPG
File:Lion_near_Baszta_Prochowa_in_Lviv.JPG[edit]
Derivative work of sculpture. Sculptor unidentified, sculptor's death date needed to assess if it's {{PD-old-70}}. No Freedom of panorama in Ukraine. Dcoetzee (talk) 13:59, 13 December 2011 (UTC)
- These are 19th century lions, scavenged from somewhere and installed at their current location in 1959. Well, it's what wikipedia says - have you checked the articles? why? Country of origin is, most likely, Austro-Hungary. Author(s), most likely, not recorded anywhere. NVO (talk) 08:33, 14 December 2011 (UTC)
- this lion is anonymous XIX century sculpture from Schönbrunn. pd-70 years is required only for reproduction of two dimensions images (paintings etc.). Mathiasrex (talk) 14:14, 14 December 2011 (UTC)
- @NVO, Mathiasrex: It is easily possible for a sculptor to have produced a work in 1890 at the age of 20 and lived until 1942 (age 72), which would make these works not {{PD-old-70}}. 19th century is not enough. The idea that PD-old-70 is not required for 3D works is untrue in most of Europe, and I'm not aware of any special rules for Ukraine. Dcoetzee (talk) 18:41, 14 December 2011 (UTC)
- Once again, why Ukraine? NVO (talk) 01:35, 15 December 2011 (UTC)
- Because that's where the photo was taken... however, you're right, the country of first publication would be the one to be concerned about. Dcoetzee (talk) 03:48, 15 December 2011 (UTC)
- pd-old after 70 years concerning reproduction of only 2D works (as frescoes, portraits etc.), sculpture is 3D. Mathiasrex (talk) 11:40, 15 December 2011 (UTC)
- Because that's where the photo was taken... however, you're right, the country of first publication would be the one to be concerned about. Dcoetzee (talk) 03:48, 15 December 2011 (UTC)
- Once again, why Ukraine? NVO (talk) 01:35, 15 December 2011 (UTC)
- @NVO, Mathiasrex: It is easily possible for a sculptor to have produced a work in 1890 at the age of 20 and lived until 1942 (age 72), which would make these works not {{PD-old-70}}. 19th century is not enough. The idea that PD-old-70 is not required for 3D works is untrue in most of Europe, and I'm not aware of any special rules for Ukraine. Dcoetzee (talk) 18:41, 14 December 2011 (UTC)
Comment @User:Mathiasrex -- You have repeated the assertion that somehow 3D works do not become PD after 70 years. That is incorrect in almost all countries and is certainly incorrect in any of the countries that might be relevant here.
Keep Although I respect the POV that an 1890 work could still be in copyright, a work by an unknown (not necessarily anonymous, but certainly unknown) sculptor from the nineteenth century that was first published in an unknown European country, is, for all practical purposes PD. While that violates the fourth point in COM:PRP, there must be limits to our precautions. Jim . . . . Jameslwoodward (talk to me) 14:48, 20 December 2011 (UTC)
Kept: No evidence that the author of the picture is not enough dead. Pymouss Let’s talk - 21:35, 27 June 2012 (UTC)
